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_______________________________________________ ( ) in football and baskets is avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..winners and late scratches usually not recognized in the horse thread but on occasion will mention.. always double check race and horse # if you play .. I do lose a lot more races than I win.. playing in advance, late odds moves and high takeout very hard to overcome .. derby future opinion post 3713 on page 149 (horse plays)
R3 #5 cattleya (8-1) 5WP R8 #10 speaker it (3-1) 15W only
maiden special weights
gulfstream R2 #1 carson city kid (15-1)
tampa R9 #2 u s delta force (4-1)
these are not graded.. I am involved in a contest with the maidens elsewhere so if you ever see something next to the odds just ignore.. different scale and rather not grade here
R4 out @ 42-1 R6.. 3rd @ 4-1 R9.. out @ 5-2 (really bet)
R3 out @ 13-1 R7 out @ 3-2
70/0
risk $225/return $98.50
_______________________________________________ ( ) in football and baskets is avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..winners and late scratches usually not recognized in the horse thread but on occasion will mention.. always double check race and horse # if you play .. I do lose a lot more races than I win.. playing in advance, late odds moves and high takeout very hard to overcome .. derby future opinion post 3713 on page 149 (horse plays)
could see improvement 2nd off the long layoff.. back finger lakes numbers fit well.. caught this trainer doing this about a week ago.. horse I believe went off at 7-2 and was 10-1 ml
R2 #4 gold ducat (8-1) 5WP
R4 #4 papa's place (10-1) 5WP
homebred by breeder/owner bruno schickendanz whose been around a long time.. ran in an off the turf race last out in his debut (that happened to come back very quick).. that was specials and this is mcl 16k so could be cause for concern.. very weak field relatively speaking and dam has been a big time producer of turf horses.. obscure sire I never heard of but a son of curlin
R8 #10 dazzling truths (6-1)
not a <4 wins claiming race but love turf marathons so going to post a pick.. will not count on the ledger
_______________________________________________ ( ) in football and baskets is avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..winners and late scratches usually not recognized in the horse thread but on occasion will mention.. always double check race and horse # if you play .. I do lose a lot more races than I win.. playing in advance, late odds moves and high takeout very hard to overcome .. derby future opinion post 3713 on page 149 (horse plays)
_______________________________________________ ( ) in football and baskets is avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..winners and late scratches usually not recognized in the horse thread but on occasion will mention.. always double check race and horse # if you play .. I do lose a lot more races than I win.. playing in advance, late odds moves and high takeout very hard to overcome .. derby future opinion post 3713 on page 149 (horse plays)
_______________________________________________ ( ) in football and baskets is avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..winners and late scratches usually not recognized in the horse thread but on occasion will mention.. always double check race and horse # if you play .. I do lose a lot more races than I win.. playing in advance, late odds moves and high takeout very hard to overcome .. derby future opinion post 3713 on page 149 (horse plays)
could see improvement 2nd off the long layoff.. back finger lakes numbers fit well.. caught this trainer doing this about a week ago.. horse I believe went off at 7-2 and was 10-1 ml
R2 #4 gold ducat (8-1) 5WP
R4 #4 papa's place (10-1) 5WP
homebred by breeder/owner bruno schickendanz whose been around a long time.. ran in an off the turf race last out in his debut (that happened to come back very quick).. that was specials and this is mcl 16k so could be cause for concern.. very weak field relatively speaking and dam has been a big time producer of turf horses.. obscure sire I never heard of but a son of curlin
R8 #10 dazzling truths (6-1)
not a <4 wins claiming race but love turf marathons so going to post a pick.. will not count on the ledger
R1.. out @ 4-1
R3.. 3rd a neck off the winner @ 13-1 (the difference maker)
R4.. out @ 4-1
R6..scratch
R8.. out @ 5-1
R1..out @ 27-1
R2.. out @ 18-1
R4..3rd @ 7-1
R8..not counted as stated abive
100/0
risk $325/ return $98.50
_______________________________________________ ( ) in football and baskets is avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..winners and late scratches usually not recognized in the horse thread but on occasion will mention.. always double check race and horse # if you play .. I do lose a lot more races than I win.. playing in advance, late odds moves and high takeout very hard to overcome .. derby future opinion post 3713 on page 149 (horse plays)
R2 #1 apache (about to go to gate.. posting live today.. not grading due to off track)
_______________________________________________ ( ) in football and baskets is avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..winners and late scratches usually not recognized in the horse thread but on occasion will mention.. always double check race and horse # if you play .. I do lose a lot more races than I win.. playing in advance, late odds moves and high takeout very hard to overcome .. derby future opinion post 3713 on page 149 (horse plays)
always kind of feel it's wimping out to take irad but on the other hand why's he getting on a mto horse for Joe orseno
_______________________________________________ ( ) in football and baskets is avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..winners and late scratches usually not recognized in the horse thread but on occasion will mention.. always double check race and horse # if you play .. I do lose a lot more races than I win.. playing in advance, late odds moves and high takeout very hard to overcome .. derby future opinion post 3713 on page 149 (horse plays)
#6 gran champagne(8-1..7 mtp) #10 ninety days of winter(25-1..7mtp)
half unit each
_______________________________________________ ( ) in football and baskets is avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..winners and late scratches usually not recognized in the horse thread but on occasion will mention.. always double check race and horse # if you play .. I do lose a lot more races than I win.. playing in advance, late odds moves and high takeout very hard to overcome .. derby future opinion post 3713 on page 149 (horse plays)
_______________________________________________ ( ) in football and baskets is avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..winners and late scratches usually not recognized in the horse thread but on occasion will mention.. always double check race and horse # if you play .. I do lose a lot more races than I win.. playing in advance, late odds moves and high takeout very hard to overcome .. derby future opinion post 3713 on page 149 (horse plays)
decent effort in debut and well bet..
trainer excellent in msw roi and %..
solid works prior and following debut race
_______________________________________________ ( ) in football and baskets is avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..winners and late scratches usually not recognized in the horse thread but on occasion will mention.. always double check race and horse # if you play .. I do lose a lot more races than I win.. playing in advance, late odds moves and high takeout very hard to overcome .. derby future opinion post 3713 on page 149 (horse plays)
trying to get away from the 10 who is a mto (7-5) ,10years old and an absolute beast..mine''s a spry 9yo lol who seems to run well off a short layoff,on off tracks and has some big back #'s..good first off claim trainer and also good adding blinkers. .think may have been brought back too soon last race
_______________________________________________ ( ) in football and baskets is avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..winners and late scratches usually not recognized in the horse thread but on occasion will mention.. always double check race and horse # if you play .. I do lose a lot more races than I win.. playing in advance, late odds moves and high takeout very hard to overcome .. derby future opinion post 3713 on page 149 (horse plays)
a 19 year old exacta..something you're more likely to see at penn national lol..going to come back for the last race
_______________________________________________ ( ) in football and baskets is avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..winners and late scratches usually not recognized in the horse thread but on occasion will mention.. always double check race and horse # if you play .. I do lose a lot more races than I win.. playing in advance, late odds moves and high takeout very hard to overcome .. derby future opinion post 3713 on page 149 (horse plays)
think no question this horse not what he was and taking necessary drop.. fact he attracts irad says a lot as he's never rode for this trainer.. excellent trainer overall with even better numbers in applicable categories to this race.. last race on a sloppy track looks like he got out a little slow but time before that (sloppy track) an easy 6 length win.. last time they switched to an ortiz brother (jose) easy win at this track.. key here though is irad coming aboard on the drop
_______________________________________________ ( ) in football and baskets is avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..winners and late scratches usually not recognized in the horse thread but on occasion will mention.. always double check race and horse # if you play .. I do lose a lot more races than I win.. playing in advance, late odds moves and high takeout very hard to overcome .. derby future opinion post 3713 on page 149 (horse plays)
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